Thursday, July 24, 2008

Naval Prosecutor: If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane...

via RAW, but they got it from Reuters, so the story is everywhere:

Hamdan's lawyer said in opening statements that the Yemeni, held for nearly seven years before his trial, was just a paid employee of the fugitive al Qaeda leader, a driver in the motor pool who never joined the militant group or plotted attacks on America.

But prosecutor Timothy Stone told the six-member jury of U.S. military officers who will decide Hamdan's guilt or innocence that Hamdan had inside knowledge of the 2001 attacks on the United States because he overheard a conversation between bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks.

You catch that?

Official Government Position (prior to today, anyway) - Flight 93 crashed in the countryside because: when the passengers rebelled and fought the terrorists, the terrorists crashed it rather than letting the plane come back under American control. By every version (of which there have been several), of the events of 9/11 that the government had previously released, this plane was not shot down, but instead crashed.
Officially, the airforce jets never reached any of the planes - despite over 100 successful airliner intercepts a year (it's standard procedure the moment a plane turns off it's transponder or veers more than 2 miles off it's flight plan. One hundred times a year it takes less than 10 minutes to intercept, with a track record of 100% success for decades. On 9/11 it took over an hour to scramble the jets, and they missed 4 out of 4 intercepts that day.)

A Popular Conspiracy Theory - For years now, various folks on the web have been saying the evidence suggests a different tale. That the black box recordings seem to indicate that passengers did indeed regain control, and that the plane was shot down by a military jet about 3 minutes later. Whether or not the chain of command knew the plane was out of terrorist hands at the time is a big issue of contention between various theorists.

Today: a Naval Officer (not just any officer, but one serving as prosecutor in the trial of Bin Laden's driver) said (in front of the judges) "If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome." Think about what that means.

His Superior Officer later told the press that the statement shouldn't be interpreted to mean anything more than that the accused thinks the US shot down Flight 93. If anyone can find a link to an exact transcript, please pass it on to me.

4 comments:

Unknown said...

This should also have the label of 'fnord'.

The idea that the US military shot down Flight 93 after civilians had seized control of the situation is extremely potent magick. 93 is the kabalistic number of Thelema (Will) and Agape (Brotherly Love). So in effect the United States would have shot down the will of the people and destroyed their love.

Almost makes it seem like there were occultists involved in the planning of this as a deliberate act. Either that or it would be some extremely symbolic synchronicity.

Anonymous said...

Hummmm that is something to ponder for sure. I was unaware of the points about jets intercepted planes at all much less many times a year in under ten min... yet as you point our all 4 were missed on 9/11. Certainly something to ponder??

rbbergstrom said...

The jet intercept times were what made me a believer in conspiracy theories. I was always very skeptical before that, though I found some conspiracies fun for gaming purposes.

If the jet intercept screw-up was simply incompetence, someone should have been punished. Instead, no one was, and man of the people on watch that day have been promoted.

Once I could see that they were lying about 9/11, everything became questionable (and alarming).

For example, JFK Assassination theories used to be fun to read, but I assumed they were mostly hogwash. If the government was hiding anything I figured it was something embarrassing, not damning. If LBJ and Earl Warren had to lie to us to keep us from invading Cuba, for example, I was okay with that. Same if they needed to lie to hide that the mob was beyond the feds ability to reign in. Now, however, I'm not willing to take that shit anymore.

While I've believed since my own UFO sightings that something special was going on in the skies, I'd always figured the government was more confused than deceptive on that issue. Now, I'm highly accusatory.

This country needs change. Massive, radical, far-sweeping reform, ASAP.

rbbergstrom said...

The jet intercept times were what made me a believer in conspiracy theories.

Ahem. Poorly stated.

Let me flavor that a bit. By no means am I saying I believe ALL conspiracy theories. Many are mutually exclusive, and many are just plain crazy.

Nor do I start from the premise that any proposed theory is true until actively disproven. But when the evidence suggests lies from on high, I find it very easy to believe.

A year and a half ago, the only conspiracy theory I believed was that Oswald probably didn't act alone, and that the Warren Commission had a vested interest (not necessarily nefarious) to make a conclusion as quickly as possible to heal the Nation's psyche.

That the Mob, the Russians, or the CIA had orchestrated it was a notion of which I was very skeptical. While I could believe that Shaw, Bannister, Ferrie or Ruby might have been involved, even in my wildest nightmares I assumed it had to stop there: maybe half a dozen men, who just barely got away with it.

Now, watching the very brazen actions taken by the White House, I'm willing to accept that we could be lied to (and manipulated, and even murdered) on a regular basis by very many people in high places.

After all, someone had to give those jets (and the Pentagon's anti-aircraft system) the order to stand down, and a lot more people had to be involved in covering it up after the fact.